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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.29 00:36:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:... to force you into a player corp.
I guess the concept of 'sandbox' only counts for some and not others.
How about when your sec status goes to neg 5 you are forced to stay out of high sec? How about if you are global you are forced not to be able to warp and your weapons don't work?
I thought so.
Mr Epeen 
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.29 01:01:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: If your sec status is -5, all players can attack you anyway. That is sandbox. That is being accountable for your actions which led you to -5
Come up with better.
That's not the same as neg 5 being forced to rat up their status to be allowed in high sec. Even neg ten has a free pass in high sec. So the gankers get a free pass but you want to take what little shelter is left for the casual player away?
No that it would ever happen, but it sure would be Interesting to see how fast the server population drops if it ever did.
Mr Epeen 
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.29 01:51:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: And current NPC players can effect the biggest part of the game, the market. Almost completely unrestrained in the so called "little shelter" with the only interruption from the smallest of communities, the gankers. So instead, NPC corps should get a free pass to not play with the rest of civilization because you say you are casual?
Oh. I see now. You want to force station traders, who's entire life outside a station was moving to a trade hub, into being able to be war decced.
Yup. That'll sure change the entire high sec dynamic. You'll have 'em running scared. 
But, whatever... If it makes you feel any better, I agree. I'm no stranger to being at war and not even realizing it, let alone having it affect me in any way whatsoever. As to how you expect it will change anything...vOv
Mr Epeen 
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:12:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:You vets are hilarious. Most of the problems of this game are actually vet created. You created the mess that is nullsec. You created the mess that is low sec via gate camps and such. YOU have created the problem with highsec by relentlessly exploiting the ruleset to kill newbies. You scream and cry about newbies staying in the NPC corps and then when one tries to join your corp you scream "SPY ALT!!!" or "NOT ENOUGH SP!!!" all day at them. So newbies have the choice of staying in the NPC corp or taking a risk on a small corp that is very likely a ****** corp. On top of that when you don't scream about spies or SP issues you take the opportunity to scam the newbie by taking everything they have or by killing them. Then you come to the forums acting all surprised when newbies stay in the NPC corp.
In case you're wondering I was welcomed to eve by having my first ship ganked when I undocked to do the tutorial missions. Dude just killed me for no apparent reason and when I asked why he screamed "NEWBIE CAREBEAR GET OUT OF NPC CORP" and then blocked me. Days later when I attempted to start mining I was ganked in my hoarder. This doesn't include the rampant can flipping and overall obsession of certain vets who make it a point to hang in the newbie areas just to grief people.
If you want this game to change you might want to take a moment and look at your own actions and how they might be contributing to the problems at hand. You're not hardcore and this game isn't hardcore either. I've seen hundreds of similar games over my decades of game playing. There's nothing special about your ability to play this game. Get over yourself and you might start to see the true problems here. Or you can continue your forum circle jerk about how eve is "cold and hard" and how special you are as people to play such a "cold and hard" game. If you want true "cold and hard" you should turn off the computer and go outside.
I've said my peace as a newbie to this game.
I can't disagree.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.29 02:23:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Considering just how many people are in some of those NPC corps I'm not so sure if wardeccing them is such a good idea. Would you really want to try to take on the Center for Advanced Studies? I certainly wouldn't want to. They're not all newbies, you know - some (not many, but some) of the oldest, more experienced characters in the game are still in those NPC corps as well. They might just take that sort of thing personally, too. Make an example out of people, if you catch my drift.
This could easily become one of those wishes that comes back to bite people in their behinds, and while the flow of tears suddenly in the other direction might be amusing at first, in the end it would only result in even more whining to change it back - and if I know those lovely sadists at CCP, that's right about when they start laughing maniacally for about five minutes straight, grin, say "NO!" and resume laughing again.
Ah...CAS!
I well remember back in the day when I had one of my first characters in there. Used to be that someone would suggest a low sec or null roam and there'd be two dozen frigates and T1 cruisers at a gate within 20 minutes ready to go. Back in those days if you had a spare hull or two, you'd donate to the cause. It was a real tight knit group.
I haven't had a character involved in an NPC corp for a few years so I'm not sure what they're like now, but they used to be a real hoot for those willing to take a risk and have some fun.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.29 22:46:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote: They don't want options, they want safety and to be 'left alone to enjoy the game my way'
Not that it really matters to me personally since I do play the game my way, but I am seeing what I just quoted being parroted by both sides of this stupid argument that is the EVE-O version of the 'Song that Never Ends''.
How about less telling others how they should play and more doing what you want within the constraints set out by CCP. Sandbox doesn't mean no rules, it means think for yourself.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.30 03:33:00 -
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Matriarch Prime wrote:This is nice. You act like all your problems would be solved if only everyone would play like you.
It's not even that. It's that they want people to play for them.
99% of these threads are started by people who have run out of easy targets and can't afford the ship loss/ sec hit of ganking. So instead of deccing a corp with members that can fight back, they come in here demanding that CCP give them fish in a barrel.
They can pretty it up any way they like, but it boils down to a bunch of pathetic gankers that are too risk averse to even gank something. So they post in here, wallowing in their own tears because the rest of the players in the game won't park themselves in front of them in untanked T1 ships with a 'kick me' sign painted on them.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:07:00 -
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Mule hauler wrote:Nyancat Audeles wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: As if I wasn't clear enough: DOWN WITH NPC CORPS.
Sometimes, I think that players like you are the reason that so many players drop out of EVE. I do not think you understand that newbies like me need an NPC corp. We also pay 15% tax rates or something like that, so you have no right to complain. Who cares if 5 carebears worth 50 billion ISK are in an NPC corp? It makes no difference to the game. It's like saying, cars are bad for the environment, so lets just throw all cars off a cliff. Without the CAS NPC corp, I probably would have left the game a long time ago. The whole point of an NPC corp is to let a player build up a solid base of ISK before they continue on to go into a bigger corp. /end thread If you leave you shouldn't be allowed back into them
You're not.
Mr Epeen 
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:42:00 -
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How about just leave the poor miners alone for now. They are in one of the lowest ISK per hour professions as it is.
But with ring mining in the cards, perhaps CCP can come up with module that only a corp can put up or fit in it's ships to be able to participate. That way you are not dicking with the crap that NPC miners are hauling in but allowing a new (and more lucrative) world to open up for those that are willing to take the small risk of making a little corp to call their own.
The problem with most of you entitled whiners is that the word 'force' keeps drooling out of your festering pie holes. Do any of you even know what 'incentive' means?
Mr Epeen  There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2012.09.01 00:14:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Why do you think its such a poor profession though?
Because I am a builder. I have multiple billion ISK buy orders in multiple high sec systems for all the local ores and refined minerals that come from them. For the most part I am paying the highest as well. So everyone... every single person mining is selling all their ore to my buy orders. The exception being those that are filling their corps POSes. But that's not even part of the NPC miner hate equation so can be ignored.
I can tell you, based on my transaction record who's mining, how many hours they are mining for and how much they are making an hour.
These are not your hypothetical fleets of Exhumer asteroid death squads, they are your average Joe. The typical player, not the idealized ones y'all are coming up with. They are just trying to pay for some game time or a bigger ship. And trust me, they mine long hours for relatively little ISK.
Mr Epeen 
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
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